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[Source](https://hive.ausbit.dev/hbd)
I first read of this idea of $HBD as pristine collateral from @taskmaster4450, but it never sinks into my brain, not until I listened to the debate between @starkerz and Andrew Quinn.
I am referring to the 3Speak video I watched three days ago. @neopch recommended the video to me asking me if I am interested to study Hive and tokenomics.
I think the original debate has been divided into seven parts to make them more understandable. Watching a long video isn’t easy just like reading long articles. That’s why I think both microblogging and video reels and shorts are more appropriate at a time that people are bombarded with too much content.
In this article, I just want to review what I learned so far from listening to the debate and I also want to share the transcription of @starkerz's talk about $HBD as pristine collateral.
Overview of Insights
I listened to the entire series for the whole day. I made a couple of #threadstorm to share the insights I learned.
Andrew Quinn’s distinction between Hive as a product and Hive as an investment is not clear to me. The distinction between $HBD as an algorithm-stable coin and other stablecoins that are backed by USD deserves an emphasis.
TCMD replied to a crash scenario objection by mentioning that Hive experienced such a case in the past twice and yet the community survived. This shows the strength and resiliency of the Hive network. I mentioned in my thread that I love resiliency as a description of Hive for:

. . . it refers to the ability of Hive as a community to withstand and recover from unexpected events. This shows that Hive can bounce back, adapt, and remain functional amid disruptions.

And then TCMD emphasized the importance of digital freedom and the priority of establishing a sustainable ecosystem. Hivers are reminded not to be concerned too much about the token’s price for once the network effect expands, the price will just naturally follow.
In the fifth part of the series, Andrew issued a kind warning and narrated a story showing the unsustainability of a yield above market price. If I understand him accurately, I think he argues that during the early years of a project, one can possibly earn a higher yield, but such a yield can easily be wiped out without warning.
TCMD replied that the issue isn’t the sustainability of the 20% APR of $HBD though it is open to question. The real issue in the debate is $HBD having a 20% APR makes it a scam.
In the sixth part of the series, TCMD made a long closing remark. After negating the CEO and the centralized entity and emphasizing the importance of the community and the DApps, TCMD made this extended conclusion:

I see wells in Ghana, I see parks in Venezuela, I see politicians recognizing Hive, I see $HBD being used because of its fast and feeless nature, . . . I see social media accounts blowing up, and I see layer two’s being built up. And I never talk about the price because I have no control over that, and it's never a good thing you tell somebody, "Oh, this is going to go up in value." If it does, you get a high five and if it doesn't, you get a middle finger. I don't earn anything from a high five and I don't want a middle finger. So, you know, don't go out and buy $HIVE if you're expecting it to go up in price. But if you want to join an interesting community, if you want to be a part of true censorship resistance and be able to build immutable apps . . . I think Hive is a very cool place to check out and that's all I can say about Hive and that's my pitch for Hive.

Reaching the last part of the series, I came up to the conclusion that I cannot make a #threadstorm on @starkerz idea of tokenomics. He made a lot of points that I think deserve a transcription, so I went to Discord and asked his permission:
And this is his reply:
Transcript of Important Insights from the Concluding Video
Andrew Quinn clarified his stance:

I’ll just close out by saying that I have startup experience in my background. I know what it’s like to try to build something. It’s not easy. You have to risk things. You have to put yourself out there. To anyone who’s trying to do that, automatically, I respect you.
I think there’s a little bit of a perception formed that you know I’m a Hive hater. It’s not the case at all and I just want to be very clear that my original comment was specifically about 20% APR. I’m totally pro-Hive when it comes to products, use cases, and growing Web 3. It sounds awesome. I am on board with that.
However, I do have the reservation about the tokenomics and the high-interest rate, but I think we can distinguish between the two and I just want to make that clear to everyone before I close out.

And then here’s @starkerz’s response:

If you take the thing that Dan said particularly the 3.5-day window, it’s a big deal, it’s a big, big deal. There is no way what happened on LUNA would have happened with that 3.5-day window.
But the other thing that’s written well is what that does to us on Hive it makes us view HBD as pristine collateral. It will always give you one dollar worth of HIVE in the same way that cashing in a treasury bond will always give you one dollar worth of dollars.
So, what we’re going to do from that is basically make a layer-2 NFT system where you can stake an NFT for a certain number of days and it will give you an APR return. Now at the moment, we’ve got that 3.5-day window that gives you 20% APR. I personally believe that should be more like 2% APR but then with what we’re going to call time vaults where you expand the amount of time that you’re locked in just like a US treasury bond where you know you might get time vaults involved. So they’ve got 10-year lock-ins but for that 10-year lock-in, you get a much higher APR maybe more towards 18% or 20%.
We’ll have to let the community and the witnesses decide what that’s going to be and let them do their economics on that.
And so, then you can take those NFT bonds that are locked into the system and guaranteed to provide you an APR and then use them as collateral to take speculative loans in the same that the Eurodollar system does. The difference is that this is all transparent and everyone can see what’s coming due at all times so that the liquid HBD that’s coming into the market that could potentially crash can be seen months and months ahead in a very predictive way, and so the witnesses can set their APR which is effectively the interest rate setting that the FED does except it’s all in transparent blockchain and the mistakes can’t be hidden like they are hidden in the Eurodollar system. And so, we think we have a really genuine shot at a truly decentralized ownerless Layer-1 collateral debt system here that can be used to provide collateralized loans.

Conclusion
Great series! Finally, I reached the end of the debate. Very educational. Now, I have an idea of how $HBD can follow the footsteps of the US treasury bond and the Eurodollar system.
Grace and peace!
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Elephant.money: A must watch if you are a crypto investor. This video by Elephant Money Herd is phenomenal. Money flowing into the bank due to individuals buying futures. The bank buys BNB and burns Elephant tokens in a deflationary way. (Meaning supply going down.)
Elephant.money now owns 52 thousand BNB.
Charts gradually going up right to left over time. https://youtu.be/LYb47YXTDzUAll based on math. *Elephant.money the bank also makes money, 10% transaction fees in and out. Fabulous tokenomics. Take a look SoMeeians.
Source: Elephant Money Herd on youtube

The list of 27 crypto topics you can post on Somee:

1. #Vacancies for new projects for content makers and marketers and other positions

2. Best New #Ambassador Programs

3. Info from closed paid telegram channels

4. Reviews of new #nodes and #testnets

5. New projects where funds invest

6. Reviews of all #metaverses

7. #P2E game tokenomics and game economics

8. Lessons for creating cool #NFTs from the designer

9. How to profitably trade on margin daily

10. Detailed analysis of project #tokenomics

11. Analysis of stock markets

12. #IDO - how to get project whitelists

13. Content about Arbitrage in crypto, how to make money on it.

14. How to write any smart contract step by step

15. Selection of interesting and relevant content about crypto from all over the Internet.

16. Search for wallets of whales that hold gem projects

17. Crypto programmer blog

18. Overview of the best conditions and platforms for #staking and #farming

19. Money management in crypto

20. Alpha - a selection of new projects at an early stage

21.#Funds - what new projects do foundations follow on twitter

22. How to write a #resume to become a team member or an early stage ambassador

23. How to get a position in a project or the role of Amba at an early stage

24. How to create farms in crypto - coinlist, discord, exchanges, Twitter, email, etc.

25. Research thousands of tweets to find new testnets, airdrops, ambas and other activities

26. Analysis of crypto projects - which influencers and funds follow the twitter of different projects

27. #Bridge reviews are the best and most effective options

Of course, I could write many more options. But even this amount is enough to find a suitable theme for any user.

Guys who knows tokenomics? Are there any particular reasons why these meme-coins always release so many billions of coins alltmer time? #tate https://www.tatetokeneth.com/_files/ugd/d3214f_033d117a74624ebe8d33d3ea103f1b71.pdf

Greywrden > As you can see on the hive token image, i am consistently buying and staking LEO and Proof of brain. What really blew my mind about the Proof of brain project is how similar the tokenomics are to Bitcoin. The PoB supply is capped at 21 million just like Bitcoin, that is on top of the fact that the PoB rewards on the Blockchain are reduced every 4 years, just like Bitcoin's mining rewards are reduced every 4 years.

LEO also has a fantastic Tribe i am getting to know right now. I have been asking many questions and there are always many in the Tribe that address my concerns.. SoMeeans should also look into tribes on the Hive Network Such as LEO and PoB.

As i have said before. Use the someeofficial tag as the mother tag on Ecency, that is the first tag. Later use the proofofbrain tag and the leofinance tag. Your posts will ingest to the SoMee main platform. Always make sure your first tag is always someeofficial that way you don't have the problems i had.. I learned all of this through trial and error.

I haven't had so much fun in Social Media in a long time like i am having now experimenting with these new platforms and learning new things on the Hive Network.

Trying out different platforms. This time i am posting from a badass project's platform named proof of brain which happens to have awsome tokenomics similar to Bitcoin and a supply that is capped at 21 million tokens, which is identical to Bitcoin. I just bought POB tokens and staked them.
https://leofinance.io/@proofofbrainio/introducing-proof-of-brain-token-pob-whitepaper

ATLAS is a Certificate of Deposit token designed from the ground up for price performance. It integrates best-of-breed tokenomics and first of its kind liquidity depth management.

The majority of the Atlas supply will be distributed through daily auctions starting on April 9th. During this period only the auction contract will be able to buy and burn from the DEX. Starting on auction day 3 on April 11th the DEX will open to the public and trading will commence.

With dividends in BUSD paid to stakers daily and bonuses for long term stakers ATLAS will be an easy token to HODL. Thanks to the buyback and burns and the burns on sells we expect some really nice price action during the 90 day auction phase as those who buy from the auction will have to stake for a minimum of 90 days so there will be no sells from the auction until then.

Website: https://atlas-token.com
Telegram: https://t.me/atlas_equinox
Twitter: https://twitter.com/atlas_equinox
More Info and tools: https://LinkTree.ee/atlas_equinox

CNS Centric is one of the few stablecoins that wants to develope a stable crypto not for smart contracts and similar but for transfers and shopping . So them connecting with atleast a small online bank adding more states later on is good news. I have 7 have got into Centric when they have learned the tokenomics of this project! Source: Centric/MarketWatch

If you were new to SoMee and you wanted to buy a million SME of the open market you would push the price up by 72%. If you wanted to buy 2 million, you would push it up på 107%. Even at these ridiculously low prices, getting 10 million SME is going to be hard because of the awesome tokenomics and utility of the SME token. If that doesn't make you bullish as an SME holder I don't know what will.
https://media4.giphy.com/media/gfDkToP253vWQMcnQy/giphy.gif

It was indeed a fun group but there is a different dynamic now that the tokenomics had changed. I'm not sure if this can be replicated now.
Back in the day you could see a 400 USD post for example. That's no longer possible with the current value of SME. A 15 USD post isn't as exciting.
Also SoMee.blog changed the game. Over there you can check the most popular posts and see for yourself.
Just thinking out loud guys, please comment on how it would be done in the future.

So, @[[18865][user]] commended me for still believing in this project. I'm gonna state my reply here because I think others could benefit from hearing it.
I try to think of it as an investor and keep emotions out of it. So for me, it's not about believing or not believing.
Here is a couple of bullet points on why I'm bullish on the project/token. If you see it differently, I would love to know.
1) What are the chances of the team rug pulling? I would say it's close to zero, if they would have rugged, they would have done so a long time ago. They would be up both in time and money
2) How good is the idea (valuepropersition) of the project - I would maybe give it a 9 out of 10. I don't really see how it could be better, but nothing is perfect
3) What are the chances, that they get the tech/dev done. I would give that a 95% out of 100%. They have the Seattle team who has a really good track record. They have Phillip who is just a fucking badass. I don’t really care if it’s this month or 3 months from now. 5 years would be a problem, but a six month time frame is not a problem for me.
4) What is the potential of the project. The best-case scenario is facebook size (billions of users) and the worst case (assuming they get to an MVP) is something like HIVE. (200 mill market cap). Let’s take the hive example. That would be an 800x in market cap. On top of this, the tokenomics of the project incentives people to take tokens off the market. So there is not a lot of tokens to go around which makes for a potential explosion in price.
5) What are the chances of AC's claims being correct. I would say, that I believe he's exaggerating, but if we only go with what we know it's still looking pretty good IMO. We know he's Bitboy main advisor, we know Bitboy is holding ALOT of SAT, and we know that AC helpedCEEK do a 250X. These are facts, not speculation. The chances of this being true is 100% as those are just facts. Might he have other things up his sleeve? I think so, but even if he does not it was enough to get CEEK to a 250X.
6) What would be the network effect of a working SoMee. I would say it’s extremely positive. Every content creator on YouTube would have an incentive to get their followers on to the platform. Every follower would benefit from being here instead of other platforms. Every user have an incentive to get their friends on and all the friends would benefit from being here. I would give it a 9 out of 10 as well. I still don’t see how it could be better, but nothing is perfect.
So from an investment point of view, what are the chances of this investment being profitable on a short to midterm timeframe?
IMO I would overall give it 95% chance of succes (in the short to midterm timeframe). In the longer timeframe, there are other risks if they actually become a competitor to the big players in the space.
For example, will Chris be able to run a big tech company succesfull? That remains to be seen, but that is not really an issue from a short to mid-term investment strategy.
So if the chances of failure is 5%, I (and every investor) should have no problem investing 5 percent of their portfolio. No matter what project, that’s just basic math. If you consider the potential of the RIO, IF the project succeeds one should have no problem allocating a bigger part of one's portfolio (which I have happily done from a risk-reward perspective).
So for me, it’s about the numbers and IMO, they are looking good. On top of that (from an investors point of view) I’m just trying to maximize my potential RIO.
So I would never go into the telegram group to complain and that’s why you always find me supporting the team. Anything else, I would simply reduce the chances for my investment to bring me a return. In general, I think the team is doing a great job, so that's another reason to support them, but that's actually not the important purpose of this post.
I know that a lot of deadlines have not been made, I know AC is at times really defensive and aggressive in the chat and have a need to brag. I personally think some of it is way over the top. I know all of this, I have been here for years as many of you have.
BUT on the other hand, they have to walk through piles of shit from people who have blindly thrown money into something they don’t understand and are now blaming the team for making a (so far) bad investment.
And because of this, these people think they have the right to FUD MY investment. Why would I ever support this, even though I get frustrated from time to time?
It's just bad business and bad investment. Like every time somebody complains in the telegram, it discourages the team from continuing the project. WHY would anybody do that to their own investment?
If I’m on a ship and I wanna get to shore fast, I’m not going to go shoot the captain (or piss him off to the degree that he abandons the ship) because I disagree with the course. That is just not in my own interest.
This is why I'm still bullish, this is why I'm still buying SME. Remember Jeff Bezos had to stick it through 6 major (bankruptable) events with Amazon before becoming the richest man in the world.
Anyways, just my 2 cents. Take from it what you want

By Cellframe Platform > The updated tokenomics assumes revenue not only from the provision of services but also from liquidity. Additional rewards are also coming from the long-term LP-holding. We have changed the reward ratios to bring more liquidity to the UniSwap and Pancake pools. To make sure it doesn’t affect the volume of rewards for master node holders, we’ve invented a mechanism to issue mCELL tokens so that master node holders can choose whether to stake a single CELL, or pair it with ETH, BNB or stablecoins — either way, they will get their mCELL to process transactions and provide services (and earn on it too).

My prediction of 4 came out true again... try it!
CNS Centric doing good and I recommend you to look it up!
they have the burn rate and tokenomics I wished Somee had. But in reverse, that SME increases with more users/more trades, making it easier to get in and garder to be a Whale and creating an equal platform.

CNS Centric has great tokenomics to become a 1$ coin later on. When people swap for their CNR their bought CNS gets burned and takes the value closer and closer to one dollar. Great yield on CNR as well. I got 700% first year. Add that to the 3271% up to former high... If their marketing goes well then I'll have millions. There is a trading pattern rule. If a price has been high it is very likely to go there again)